Tuesday, August 10, 2010

#cosi10 - Evolutionizing Collaboration (virtual co-creation transcript)

The following is the transcript of an **AMAZING** virtual planning session with cosi10 hosts on Monday 9 August, using the group text-chat function on skype. I borrowed this format from the session I facilitated at Radical Real Time, and with very satisfactory results. The extraordinary level of energy in the conversation was really exciting to be a part of, and the collaborative output was top-notch!
Thank you and KUDOS to all of the cosi10 event hosts who participated across timezones from around the world: Pallavi Keshri (India), Christian Vanizette (Paris), Danielle Lanyard (New York), Matt Nathan (Denver), Jean Russell (Chicago), and Mark Grimes (USA). I coordinated the the chat around a framework of questions related to press release messaging that consultant Bonnie Koenig helped to develop. 
The cosi10 event hosts in Australia, Africa and Brussels weren't able to make it, but hats off to Pallavi India for staying up late to remind us all about how important it is to strategically level the playing field in the social innovation space.
During the chat we got to the core of our messaging strategy by exploring two headline topics for press releases that are now to be written: 
  • Connecting a global sector, and
  • Are you building a better world through innovative entrepreneurship?
A tip if you ever want to try something similar: key to making this virtual collaboration format work was having paste-ready text prepared in advance. I then invited everyone into a group IM chat on skype - as you can see at the end, Australia was eventually able to see what had happened. What I love about using text chat instead of voice for this purpose is the rich archive we are left with that captures the group's globally collaborative thought process.
More virtual co-creation sessions are planned leading up to the kick-off of the cosi10 webbed event series experiment in September, and I am so excited about continuing to work with this wonderful group of likeminds. If this level of energy is what's coming together to make Connecting Social Innovation 2010 happen, I have a feeling we're all in for a heck of a transformative experience between now and December! 
Enjoy ~

Who and How: toward co-creating cosi10 messaging strategies

[09/08/10 19:11:20] Christina Jordan: Just a friendly reminder that today's important skype chat about cosi10 messaging & promotion will happen at:

1pm Portland/LA

2pm Denver

3pm Chicago

4pm New York

8pm Bamako

9pm Edinburgh

10pm Brussels/Paris

1:30am New Delhi

6am Australia

If you are not able to join us, hopefully you will be able to see the transcript here later of the chat between those who did.

Please share these instructions with any others you would like to involve:

"To join the chat, connect with christina_jordan (Brussels, Belgium) on skype between now and then to let her know you'd like to join the cosi10 chat, and she will add you into the chat group."

See you then!


[09/08/10 19:17:55] Christina Jordan: http://www.ned.com/group/cosi/ws/pressreleases/

[09/08/10 22:00:50] Christina Jordan: Hey folks - Not seeing many in the group online yet but HELLO to those who are here!

[09/08/10 22:01:12] tahitian_coconut: hello ! :)

[09/08/10 22:01:24] Pallavi Keshri: Right here

[09/08/10 22:02:18] Danielle Lanyard: hello

[09/08/10 22:02:48] Danielle Lanyard: (sun)

[01:33:40] Christina Jordan: Hi everyone!

welcome to our first cosi10 virtual planning chat.

So glad some of you could make it!

Maybe those of you online could introduce yourselves briefly to each other.


WHERE ARE YOU involved with hosting a cosi10 event?

[01:34:54] Pallavi Keshri: Hi everybody! I am Pallavi founder for eyaas.com. I am hosting Cosi in Delhi, India

[01:35:38] tahitian_coconut: hello my name is christian, we are creating a web-app for social entrepreneurs http://www.makesense.org and want to organize a cosi event in Paris

[01:36:16] Danielle Lanyard: Hi All. Danielle Lanyard here. In New York City. I am a serial entrepreneur, founder of Travelcology and Third Rail Ventures, which is hosting the cosi NYC event. hey christina christian and pallavi!

[01:36:46] Pallavi Keshri: Hey Danielle... Great to meet you

[01:37:02] Pallavi Keshri: Christian... Are you making any Tahitian Coffee?

[01:37:32] tahitian_coconut: not right now :) Helle Danielle, nice to meet you

[01:37:48] Christina Jordan: I think Bonnie is here too somewhere....

[01:39:00] Christina Jordan: bonnie if you see this try typing something in here

[01:40:52] Christina Jordan: and matt nathan from denver is finding his way here too

[01:41:31] Danielle Lanyard: here. some entertainment. underground skype emoticons: mooning

[01:41:38] Christina Jordan: LOL

[01:41:39] Danielle Lanyard: drunk (drunk)

[01:41:52] Pallavi Keshri: hahaha... (finger)

[01:41:55] Christina Jordan: Matt and Bonnie are you with us yet?

[01:42:14] Danielle Lanyard: last one: is that too much information? TMI (TMI)

[01:42:27] Pallavi Keshri: Mooning is my fav. ...lol

[01:42:28] Bonnie Koenig: Hello everyone. I am here now. Bonnie Koenig. Consultant to NGOs on international engagement. Helping Christina with Cosi10 organizing.

[01:42:53] Matt Nathan: Hi! Matt Nathan, social venture strategist/catalyst, Ashoka's Youth Venture and Change Your City initiative, member of w1sd0m. I'm in Denver, Colorado, USA -- cosi10 host here for Sept.

[01:42:56] Pallavi Keshri: Hi Bonnie. Connected with you on Twitter. This is Pallavi from Eyaas

[01:43:04] Christina Jordan: Yay! It's so great to see you all. Thanks so much for being online at this hour!

Could you all just type in WHAT TIME IS IT IN YOUR PART OF THE WORLD NOW?

[01:43:21] Pallavi Keshri: Hahaha... It is 1.45 AM India Time

[01:43:29] Danielle Lanyard: nyc. 4pm.

[01:43:41] Matt Nathan: Denver, 2pm

[01:43:48] Bonnie Koenig: Yes, Pallavi, nice to see you here as well as Twitter!

[01:44:11] Mark Grimes: Mark from Portland, Oregon 1:00PM

[01:44:12] tahitian_coconut: paris 10 PM

[01:44:12] Bonnie Koenig: I'm one of the lucky ones, also 'business hours' here - 4:00 p.m. in Vermont

[01:44:21] Matt Nathan: Pallavi wins the dedication award!

[01:44:33] Christina Jordan: just after 10pm here in Brussels - hats off to Pallavi!

[01:44:34] Pallavi Keshri: LEts talk again on Sept 13th.

[01:44:38] Christina Jordan: Wonderful!

It's been such a pleasure to get to know some of you over the past couple of months. I hope that these cross-timezone sessions can encourage us all to appreciate and understand each other's richness even more, as we lead up to the cosi10 events.

DISCLAIMER - this is the first time we're doing this so of course the format remains open to refinement. Depending on how many of us show up online at this hour, we might end up inviting discussion to linger over 24 hours instead of an hour…

We're NOT going to attempt to chat by voice tonight, as Skype (and other tools) just aren't as stable for voice as they need to be to make that happen smoothly.

Everyone ok so far??

[01:45:29] Pallavi Keshri: On board!

[01:45:33] tahitian_coconut: on board :)

[01:45:51] Bonnie Koenig: Yes, so far, so good :)

[01:45:51] Danielle Lanyard: this sounds good, though i must mention, i've heard great things about www.tinychat.com - used by open source developers for real time video collaboration around the world

[01:46:12] Christina Jordan: Great!

The OBJECTIVE of tonight's chat is to work together on some "wordsmithing" that can hopefully help all of us to convey the cosi10 concepts in our local/regional environments.

As we all know, the language around social innovation and social entrepreneurship is often ambiguous. On top of that, the cosi10 event concept is new.

Luckily, Bonnie has helped to develop a framework for us to think about the shape of some promotional press release messaging. (Thanks Bonnie!)

The basic idea here is that I'll post some questions and you type the answer that comes to your head, based on what YOU think/imagine the cosi10 event series can be.

In other words, there is no right or wrong answer… this is an exercise in harvesting collective wisdom about the words we use :)


[01:46:17] Matt Nathan: Yes, and thanks for your leadership, Christina. Visionary + practical + empathetic = gr8

[01:46:34] Christina Jordan: interesting Danielle - thx for the link. Will check it out!

[01:46:53] Danielle Lanyard: and i'd retweet Matt's comment if i could! :) thanx christina!!

[01:47:17] Pallavi Keshri: SO far so good! I agree with Matt! Great work getting us altogether Christina

[01:47:17] Bonnie Koenig: +1 RT - Big thanks to Christina!

[01:47:25] Christina Jordan: aw thanks guys :*

Headline topic 1: Connecting an emerging global sector

[01:47:50] Christina Jordan: OK here goes...

Proposed Headline topic 1:

"Connecting an emerging global sector"


[01:48:09] tahitian_coconut: twitter

[01:48:49] Pallavi Keshri: Cosi

[01:48:57] Jean M Russell: just landed at a place with wifi... waves hello

[01:49:10] Pallavi Keshri: Hello Jean. Welcome

[01:49:13] Christina Jordan: hello Jean! Welcome!

[01:49:17] Danielle Lanyard: hi jean!

[01:49:21] Matt Nathan: hey Jean!

[01:49:23] Bonnie Koenig: Creating systems, processes, forums that allow for meaningful connections

[01:49:30] Jean M Russell: global brain

[01:49:35] Danielle Lanyard: deep ecology

[01:49:52] tahitian_coconut: Hello Jean :)

[01:50:18] Christina Jordan: Danielle what does deep ecology mean to you in the cosi10 context?

[01:50:33] Matt Nathan: Christina, pls clarify the direction we're springboarding toward, eg this is about messaging, right?

[01:50:54] Christina Jordan: yes Matt - sorry if that was unclear

[01:51:07] Danielle Lanyard: taking tenets of ecological frameworks and infusing them into community foundations. more than biomimicry, but actual whole systems theory, for enterprise and innovation - put into action. breathe.

[01:51:08] Christina Jordan: we're aiming at creating the input for some press release writers to work with

[01:51:16] Christina Jordan: they have asked for broad outlines and bullet points

[01:51:30] Christina Jordan: there's a briefing on ned at http://www.ned.com/group/cosi/ws/pressreleases/

[01:51:57] Pallavi Keshri: knowledge sharing

[01:52:43] Matt Nathan: OK, here's mine:
Connecting an emerging global sector to strengthen and accelerate new solutions.

[01:53:24] Christina Jordan: Great - good stuff!

Now, in YOUR words, Who is the emerging sector you hope to connect at your cosi10 event?

[01:53:38] Pallavi Keshri: Social Enterprises

[01:53:52] tahitian_coconut: Social Innovators

[01:54:22] Jean M Russell: Social innovators. :)

[01:54:25] Danielle Lanyard: 'we' are the emerging sector. the 'we' is now open to all how seek to improve their world and others through innovation and hopefully collaboration.

[01:54:53] tahitian_coconut: +1

[01:55:03] Matt Nathan: Changemakers (Ashoka's term, but catching on more broadly - useful in that it can include all across the spectrum...)

[01:55:05] Danielle Lanyard: in nyc, we have killed previously beautiful terms like 'green', 'organic', 'social enterpreneur' due to who have used them. probably very different in different regions.

[01:55:19] Christina Jordan: are SOCIAL ENTERPRISES and SOCIAL INNOVATORS different groups?

[01:55:35] Matt Nathan: Yes, social innovator is broader

[01:56:01] tahitian_coconut: same as Matt, Social Innovator is broader with experiments etc

[01:56:03] Jean M Russell: agreed Matt

[01:56:07] Mark Grimes: Wish to connect social entrepreneurs, enterprises and innovators building scalable, replicable and sustainable market driven solutions that will grow to impact over one million people and one million dollars in revenue in under five years.

[01:56:17] Matt Nathan: social enterprise is a sub-set of social innovation, and can in many instances be quite a narrow slice

[01:56:25] Christina Jordan: Danielle, yes I have learned there are definitely regional variances! How does the "we" in NYC describe itself?

[01:56:40] Jean M Russell: (y) Mark

[01:56:45] Danielle Lanyard: it doesn't. there is no unity here, to be honest. this is why i am so looking forward to cosi!!!

[01:56:52] Jean M Russell: although I am not a fan of scalable

[01:56:59] Jean M Russell: not everything needs to be scalable

[01:57:02] Pallavi Keshri: +1 Jean

[01:57:07] Pallavi Keshri: I agree with that

[01:57:17] Danielle Lanyard: jean, i agree. most social innovation does not need to be scalable to see it's mission realized. most social enterprise, different story

[01:57:43] Jean M Russell: right, but other than that, I really Love Mark's language

[01:58:02] Pallavi Keshri: Even a social enterprise, as long as it is serving the purpose of its existence within the community it is serving

[01:58:03] Mark Grimes: Personally interested in scale as to growth towards overall larger impact

[01:58:18] Danielle Lanyard: Mark, also really like your language. where are you located?

[01:58:28] Pallavi Keshri: A social enterprise can be replicable... it need not be scalable.
[01:58:36] Christina Jordan: Terrific - and remember, we don't need to achieve consensus here... the main thing is to understand the words that we can use to be effective in drawing participants to the events.

ok, so THINK PRESS RELEASE: What's creative about how cosi20 is connecting the sector?

[01:58:46] Jean M Russell: scale can be one org growing in size - but sector scale can be achieved through many orgs, none scaled up, just well connected

[01:58:48] Christina Jordan: oops *cosi10

[01:58:53] Danielle Lanyard: time machine!!

[01:58:54] Mark Grimes: Portland, Oregon (in Nairobi for Maker Faire Africa in two weeks)

[01:58:55] Jean M Russell: which is what this is for - to connect together and inspire

[01:59:04] Bonnie Koenig: For those not familar with your definition of social entrepreneur or social innovator how will they know you are targeting them?

[01:59:05] Pallavi Keshri: +1 jean

[01:59:18] Mark Grimes: and thank you Danielle

[01:59:29] Pallavi Keshri: With Jean on this... I think with Cosi10 we are talking sector scalability

[01:59:35] Matt Nathan: Mark, I like that AND what if cosi10 helped someone launch a key innovation that was policy driven or donation driven (not market driven) YET IT WORKED? I'd like us to be open to whatever works and can scale!

[01:59:57] Pallavi Keshri: and we can describe the sector as Social Innovation to incorporate all definitions including social enterprise

[02:00:07] Jean M Russell: Thank you Pallavi

[02:00:24] Matt Nathan: oops, sorry I fell behind - was referring to something Mark said upthread.

[02:00:37] Christina Jordan: no worries Matt!

[02:00:41] tahitian_coconut: For me what is creative about the COSI10 event is that it is experimenting a way to connect people worldwide at the same moment on the same problematic using collective intelligence mixed with information technologies

[02:00:51] Christina Jordan: repeating: THINK PRESS RELEASE: What's creative about how cosi10 is connecting the sector?

[02:01:36] Mark Grimes: Matt, for me (personally) policy stuff is too wanky, and donation stuff is too focused on the money, not the results. But heck, I’ll offer any assistance I can to anyone trying to make the world a better place.

[02:01:50] Christina Jordan: same moment, same problematic, collective intelligence + info technologies. Nice set of words Christian

[02:02:19 | Edited 02:03:41] Jean M Russell: there are several hurdles to the network of innovators flowing smoothly - innovating and collaborating. 1 is being connected together strong enough to remember each other and have enough trust to reach other. and #2 is that the network of this sector starts to function with some intelligence. that is dependent on us (at least regionally) speaking some of the same language. the COSI event helps with #1 and 2

[02:03:56] Pallavi Keshri: Just a voice from the other side of the world... Christian you might be able to throw some light on this.... I think with Cosi10, the whole social innovation space is allowing the world to become equal. It is allowing people across the development spectrum to speak on the same platform from their own perspectives and channelize global wisdom

[02:03:57] Danielle Lanyard: big thing here is how to make space for everyone, from all different fields, and how to really support each other. support of the network, knowing that differs by region, innovation, etc. - this is what i see making cosi different

[02:04:45] Matt Nathan: what's creative about cosi10:
-- Connecting grassroots to global
-- experimenting to mix in-person & online collaboration in new ways
-- forwarding real work from event to event around the world, innovating and strengthening it as we go
-- outcomes will be co-produced and decided via global participation

[02:05:17] Matt Nathan: (y) Danielle

[02:05:18] Jean M Russell: high functioning coordinated bottom's up approach.

[02:05:24] Christina Jordan: You folks rock! (dance)

Another important question:

What ‘VALUE ADDED’ do you think PARTICIPANTS will gain by being part of this event and network?

[02:06:42] Matt Nathan: Build real working relationships locally/globally that will carry forward in mutual support toward shared goals.

[02:07:27] Christina Jordan: (handshake)

[02:07:28] Pallavi Keshri: Said it right Danielle. How to really support each other, knowing what differs by region

[02:08:10] Matt Nathan: Also perhaps key point: some amazing local innovators/innovations will likely DISCOVERED and showcased / connected up globally.

[02:08:12] Jean M Russell: opportunity for new or expanded relationships with people working on similar things or with a similar purpose
find social support for your efforts
learn what is going on around your effort
co-create the future of the sector

[02:08:13] Danielle Lanyard: value adds could be answers/solutions to how regions can be value add to people and vice versa - in the social innovation space. localized innovation with global support, input and collaboration.

[02:08:34] Jean M Russell: visibility ;)

[02:08:55] tahitian_coconut: mmm i think the added value each participatn would have is the collective intelligence shared worldwide , a reputation beginning on a global network , an action trigger for the projects of the participants

[02:09:00] Mark Grimes: what do participants want?

[02:09:50] Danielle Lanyard: in nyc, we need to innovate because our city is truly on its last legs. were it not for tourist money...the startup and innovation boom here is driven by genuine need. is it similar in other cities?

[02:10:01] Jean M Russell: get what you want and give what you have event.

[02:10:13] Christina Jordan: ;) Mark, my question was initially worded as what do you think participants want to gain... want to give a stab at answering?

[02:10:32] Christina Jordan: (I changed the wording at the last minute!)

[02:12:26] Jean M Russell: (my daughter insists that I say something to all of you now that I explained who I am talking to and why. Waves from Zoe Anne)

[02:13:01] Christina Jordan: LOL Hi Zoe Anne! (hug)

ok one last question on "Connecting an emerging global sector" as a headline topic:

In a word or 2, what's the really sexy part of cosi10 - to you?

[02:13:07] Matt Nathan: (Waving back)

Participants want to gain:

-- support in all forms

-- better understanding of big picture / movement and where/how they can best contribute

-- energy and connection to sustain themselves in their efforts

-- feedback and learning to be more effective

[02:13:23] tahitian_coconut: I think they also want TED stuff....not sure they could all be open to collaborative approaches only, perhaps they might think that it s too disruptive as a conference format.... just a tought

[02:13:36] Pallavi Keshri: BIG WAVES Zoe Anne!

[02:13:43] Mark Grimes: Participants at Maker Faire Africa want increased product distribution, marketing education, access to investment capital, exploration of business partnerships

[02:14:10] Jean M Russell: hi Christina and Pallavi from zoe (hug) (F)

[02:14:16] Jean M Russell: hi Matt

[02:14:20] Danielle Lanyard: oh. lovely people, & zoe, speaking of TED. i just found out TED EAST is held on November 5th, the first day of the Nov. cosi events. can i have your feedback on this?

[02:14:39] Christina Jordan: That's one of the reasons why the hosts design one 1/2 day session Christian!

[02:14:44] Pallavi Keshri: The SEXY... Children and THAT WORD In the same breath...puff..... Now that I have used it, the sexy bit about Cosi10 is that it allows you to break through to the global community from a local perspective

[02:14:55] Jean M Russell: what makes COSI sexy is the AMAZING people involved with a track record of innovation

[02:15:08] Matt Nathan: Sexy part: taking collaboration to the next level, to work on innovative solutions together from grassroots to global

[02:15:26] Jean M Russell: globally networked, locally active and locally led

[02:15:51] tahitian_coconut: @christina roger that :)

[02:15:57] Christina Jordan: Wow! powerful stuff (clap)

[02:15:59] Danielle Lanyard: is cosi NYC still sexy if it's date conflicts with TED East on Nov 5th? sorry to be annoying, but would like your input on if u all think this matters.

[02:16:40] Matt Nathan: Also: it's a grand experiment to work across distance and difference to save the world!

[02:16:45] tahitian_coconut: sexy part : feeling of being part of the same movie

[02:17:05] Christina Jordan: Danielle - one of the organizers of TED in Phnom Penn (sp?) is wondering if it might be possible to deliberately plan cosi10 alongside their Ted event... it's still in my inbox from last week to explore
[02:17:11] Christina Jordan: lets talk later?
[02:17:19] Jean M Russell: I wouln't worry about it too much Danielle. In places like NYC and SF, there are always several events to choose from. People who want to be active come to COSI and people who want to passive hear inspiring stuff go to TED

[02:17:22] Matt Nathan: Also: taking action together, not just another talk-fest.

[02:17:25] Danielle Lanyard: yes. i'm game. i just found out on friday and was waiting to tlak to you all about it

[02:17:33] Danielle Lanyard: jean. word :))

[02:17:34] Pallavi Keshri: LOL!!! Jean

[02:18:15] tahitian_coconut: agree with jean :)

[02:18:36] Christina Jordan: WOW WOW ok this is great stuff. I'm going to work from the above to give the press release writers some quotes and bullet points from you all.

Can we try to quickly do another one please?

[02:18:36] Jean M Russell: in fact, I think it helps remind of us of part of our edge to push in our marketing

[02:18:46] Jean M Russell: yes

[02:18:51] Christina Jordan: +1 Jean

[02:19:08] Jean M Russell: really enjoying the interchange with everyone. All have great comments

[02:19:48] Jean M Russell: #gratitude. so glad I was able to get online in time to catch some of this.

[02:19:51] Matt Nathan: Thanks all -- honored to be in this with you!

[02:20:31] Danielle Lanyard: i think cosi and TED have a shared ethos, but cosi is all inclusive, grassroots, globally connected, but localized - and intended to disrupt...but not from an individual voice, but from all our voices at the global roundtable.

[02:20:38] Pallavi Keshri: Good one Christina. Helps to hear wha I can say to people to come to us

Headline Topic 2: Are you building a better world through innovative entrepreneurship?

[02:20:39] Christina Jordan: Headline Topic 2.
Are you building a better world through innovative entrepreneurship?

Headline Topic 3.
Social innovators band together to shape the coming decade

Headline Topic 4.
Many timezones, many cultures, many plans for a better world


[02:21:08] Bonnie Koenig: Danielle - that's great language "intendedto disrupt", now that's different!

[02:21:12] Jean M Russell: #3


[02:21:18] Pallavi Keshri: #3

[02:21:47] Danielle Lanyard: topic 2. why innovate, if not to disrupt the complacent fabric to bring about needed change.

[02:21:54] Christina Jordan: oops sorry for shouting (chuckle)

[02:21:55] Jean M Russell: We all made it a point to be here....I just got gliched noticably.

[02:22:01] Mark Grimes: #2

[02:22:17] Danielle Lanyard: is gliched a hybrid of glitch and cliche?

[02:22:44] tahitian_coconut: #3

[02:22:45] Pallavi Keshri: hahaha... wonderful learnings... gliched = glitch + cliche

[02:22:53] Jean M Russell: lol

[02:23:23] Jean M Russell: can we talk about #2 or #3 for 5 minutes?

[02:23:48] Pallavi Keshri: I like the whole idea that this is meant for "disruption"

[02:23:49] Matt Nathan: LOL - "gliche" is a keeper. ANd I vote for 2

[02:24:06] Pallavi Keshri: Why innovate IF NOT for Disruption

[02:24:23] Danielle Lanyard: (handshake) to you all!

[02:24:27] Jean M Russell: okay, so what I like about #2 is that it invites the reader to consider whether they are one too.... so I expect to read about what the qualities of an innovator are

[02:24:31] Christina Jordan: I also think number 2 addresses bonnie's earlier question:

[22:29:05] Bonnie Koenig: For those not familar with your definition of social entrepreneur or social innovator how will they know you are targeting them?

[02:24:41] Christina Jordan: ok so...

[02:24:54] Mark Grimes: +10 Pallavi

[02:24:54] Christina Jordan: What is innovative entrepreneurship as we are using the term? (is there a better term that encompasses social enterprise and innovation?)

[02:25:13] Danielle Lanyard: e

[02:25:20] Danielle Lanyard: oops. 'enterprise for social impact'

[02:25:21] Jean M Russell: (what I like about #3 is the decade outlook)... and what I didn't like about #4 is that it sounds scattered

[02:25:35] Pallavi Keshri: Thanks Mark

[02:26:01] Jean M Russell: well entrepreneurship itself is supposed to be innovation, so it sounds a bit redundant, right?

[02:26:03] Danielle Lanyard: also, back to bonnie's question. these terms do have different connotations by region. is there a globally accepted lexicon?

[02:26:54] Christina Jordan: no, danielle, there really isn't. That's why we need to think about all of the terms we are using globally and strategically use them all to our maximum advantage if we can

[02:27:02] Jean M Russell: as far as I have experienced, there isn't a gloabl one Danielle. When I was in Sweden, they really didn't get "social" entrepreneurship... and they spoke to "public" instead

[02:27:06] Pallavi Keshri: I am not so sure about that Jean... Not all entrepreneurship is Innovation...

[02:27:07] Matt Nathan: yes to disruption, AND I think a lot of what's different and promising about cosi10 is that we aim to go BEYOND disruption, to co-construction

[02:27:13] Jean M Russell: and they thought it was a bit obvious...

[02:27:25] Mark Grimes: All great VCs and angel investors are looking for disruptive new business models. And those are the models we should be exploring as well.

[02:27:38] Danielle Lanyard: co creation. love this. 'whats the opposite of war? creation"

[02:27:41] Christina Jordan: nice headline material Matt!

BEyond disruption to co-construction

[02:27:42] Jean M Russell: BINGO Matt. Yes, not just to disrupt, but to erupt with something new

[02:27:52] Jean M Russell: co-creation +10

[02:28:03] Pallavi Keshri: Co-creation is great!


[02:28:44] Christina Jordan: I like that too.

[02:29:18] tahitian_coconut: Creative commons entrepreneurship, there's a good philosophy of co-construction in the creative common movement

[02:29:22] Pallavi Keshri: Can I throw a spanner in the works??!!! Going to be disruptive

[02:29:38] Jean M Russell: yes, please

[02:29:42] Mark Grimes: not sure what a spanner is, but sure

[02:29:44] Matt Nathan: "entrepreneurship" itself is tinged with Western worship of individualism, Ayn Rand etc. Personally, I think what's most needed is a mode of innovation and production that is still emerging. Bill Drayton talks/writes about "collaborative entrepreneurship"

[02:29:48] Jean M Russell: just no spammers, ok?

[02:29:55] Matt Nathan: spanner = wrench

[02:29:59] Mark Grimes: thnx

[02:30:12] Christina Jordan: LOL - what is it Pallavi dear?

[02:30:25] tahitian_coconut: in france Social Entrepreneurship is perceive as only NGO and associative stuff, nothing to do with business...it's sad

[02:30:26] Pallavi Keshri: LOL:) Ok so what we are essentially talking about is ways of making this world a better place...

[02:30:29] tahitian_coconut: go pallavi :)

[02:30:51] Christina Jordan: Yes - leading to my next question - PLEASE ANSWER: How will innovative entrepreneurship help to build a better world?

[02:30:53] Pallavi Keshri: So if we are talking making people economically stringer so that they become empowered to build themselves a better world

[02:31:09] Pallavi Keshri: Does it all have to be "innovative"..."disruptive" "new"

[02:31:10] Matt Nathan: Funny watching all those little animated pen icons moving at once!

[02:31:12] Bonnie Koenig: Matt - That's important, the more you can break down terms that don't mean the same in all places to more commonly used English terms, the more globally understood they will be.

[02:31:47] Matt Nathan: bonnie, that's part of why I like "changemaking" & "changemaker"

[02:32:11] tahitian_coconut: Innovative Entrepreneurship will help build a better place if they take into account their social impact in their business models

[02:32:22] Christina Jordan: I've always been partial to "Better World Builders"

[02:32:32] Pallavi Keshri: For places like India.... It is important that people get the basics... which could be something simple.. something done before... something "easy"... maybe something which can be copied.

[02:32:33] Jean M Russell: Collaborative entrepreneurship will change the world by (excuse me being such a theory-head) = working at a more complex system level than the problems it addresses. ;)

[02:33:06] Christina Jordan: @pallavi I don't know that "economically" better is the only form of a better world I am personally talking about

[02:33:06] Mark Grimes: +10 Pallavi again

[02:33:06] Danielle Lanyard: i'd like to also throw in global social justice movement lingo. social justic through enterprise and innovation. empowerment

[02:33:47] Mark Grimes: Pallavi, that's why one org I like is Drishtee...biz models in a box for rural India

[02:33:50] Christina Jordan: webbed empowerment = WE

[02:33:51] Pallavi Keshri: Agree Christina, product & service aimed at a better quality of life

[02:34:01] Jean M Russell: +1 Christina

[02:34:08] Christina Jordan: aimed at building a thrivable world

[02:34:09] Pallavi Keshri: unfortunately the discussion on "alternative currency" is still on

[02:34:19] Matt Nathan: Status quo is taking us all to extinction -- so yes, something needs to be NEW. Personally, I think what's need most is PROCESS INNOVATION -- we've got product innovation and it is not enough to get us to thrivability.

[02:34:37] Jean M Russell: agreed Matt

[02:34:39] Danielle Lanyard: jean - there is a big drive here to 'formalize' collaborative innovation so that this can be profitable for the innovators who are freely sharing their brain and ideas to make something great.

[02:34:54] Matt Nathan: (that was in response to Danielle's early Q re whether we need "new"

[02:35:08] Christina Jordan: redefining the currencies that connect us is a huge part of the equation, I think. Can't wait to see what the Brussels event brings on that front

[02:35:42] Pallavi Keshri: Mark, I like Drishtee to

[02:35:46] Matt Nathan: oops I meant Pallavi's Q

[02:35:49] Jean M Russell: i we understand that innovation is risky... and that not all of the process can give rise to income...I am open to formalizing some of the process to help support those doing it.

[02:36:05] Danielle Lanyard: re: redefining currencies: http://www.greenamericaexchange.org/ - is there a global version?

[02:36:06] Mark Grimes: and Honeybee Network in India is GREAT too

[02:36:09] Pallavi Keshri: My point is such organizations in these conditions are far & few... so are we to focus only on those?

[02:36:19] Christina Jordan: GREAT - now.... let's drill down on this:

What ‘value added’ can innovative entrepreneurs expect to gain by being part of this network?

[02:36:55] Jean M Russell: Danielle - if Chris Lindstrom is in NYC this summer... I suggest you meet him (currency guy)

[02:36:57] Christina Jordan: This network that WE (all of us chatting here) are daring to attempt to create.....

[02:37:10] tahitian_coconut: all your remarks make me think about this idea for the press release, cosi is like an attemp to create an Open source operating system for social innovation apps !

[02:37:18] Jean M Russell: and thank you Christina for bringing us together

[02:37:23] Mark Grimes: It seems they would want, more sales, more product distribution, more capital, more social impact

[02:37:30] Pallavi Keshri: So can we then say we are ONLY looking at "innovations" either processes or products or services etc.

[02:37:38] tahitian_coconut: +1 mark concerning the honeybee network, great grassrotts innovators !

[02:37:55] Mark Grimes: thnx TC

[02:38:13] Christina Jordan: projects - even of an experimental nature, should also be in that mix...

[02:38:31] Danielle Lanyard: i think ideas can come to market quicker if they know how they can integrate with other existing technologies, improve in both directions. cosi can bridge this, the world over.

[02:39:01] Danielle Lanyard: jean - can u connect me to chris, if you know him. thx.

[02:39:07] Jean M Russell: sure.

[02:39:10] tahitian_coconut: yes, we should experiments of create workshops where we hacks business models and innovation to give them a bigger social impact

[02:39:17] Pallavi Keshri: Agree Danielle

[02:39:22] Matt Nathan: yes to open source, but I think what we're about here with cosi10 is pre-OS... more exploratory, experimental. Perhaps more like web standards, think early days of Berners-Lee and W3C

[02:39:32] Pallavi Keshri: I think thats a great output

[02:39:42] Mark Grimes: Good one TC!

[02:40:14] Pallavi Keshri: Nice one Christian

[02:40:26] tahitian_coconut: Danielle gives the idea of iteration in innovation +1

[02:40:43] Jean M Russell: I gotta take my kids to their dad... sad to leave you all. Thank you for the amazing chat!

[02:40:53] Mark Grimes: see ya Jean

[02:40:56] Danielle Lanyard: i'd also like to focus on regional resources. NYC has tons of untapped resources that we could share with the world, that we can't even interconnect locally. how to harness this, is a constant question of mine, to raise via cosi 10

[02:40:58] tahitian_coconut: As cosi events happens regularly it's also a place to iterate social innovation to fine tune them event after event

[02:41:01] Danielle Lanyard: bye jean

[02:41:04] Jean M Russell: (wave)

[02:41:05] Pallavi Keshri: Grt stuff Jean.. Thanks for coming by

[02:41:12] Christina Jordan: EXACTLY - that's what I would LOVE the case-study building breakout sessions turn into - hack the business models and rebuild them stronger through the crowdsourced wisdom - refine the plan through the process and then fund the best of in December

[02:41:46] tahitian_coconut: bye jean

[02:41:54] Matt Nathan: Agreed re all the above -- and thanks Jean

[02:42:13] Christina Jordan: nye Jean - thank you SO much for being here, and for adding your talent to the mix

[02:43:31] Matt Nathan: Re experimentation, iteration, meshing efforts and bizmodels locally / globally -- I think it is crucial that we differentiate cosi10 from all the variants of a pitchfest that are burgeoning.

[02:43:59] Pallavi Keshri: yes thats important

[02:44:05] Pallavi Keshri: +1 Matt

[02:44:12] Matt Nathan: Pitchfest approach is mostly atomistic / competitive / one-off

[02:44:31] Matt Nathan: We want holistic / networked / collaborative / ongoing

[02:44:55] tahitian_coconut: ...quantic ! :)

[02:45:18] Christina Jordan: Which leads to my final planned question for this topic:

Which cosi10 activity highlights will excite potential participants the most?

- In-depth conversations about socila impact in the sectors they are reaching
- professional skills exange fora
- the crowdsourced planning/resource matching/financing opportunity
- the networking
- the ......

[02:45:39] Danielle Lanyard: i agree with nathan. pitch fest model uses competition to drive enterpreneurs, but does little to foster innovation

[02:45:50] Christina Jordan: The topic: Are you building a better world through innovative entrepreneurship?

[02:45:53] Bonnie Koenig: I am going to have to sign-off as well. Great skype chat and good to "meet" you all.

[02:45:54] tahitian_coconut: the Hacking Sessions ;)

[02:46:02] Pallavi Keshri: hacking it is

[02:46:07] Pallavi Keshri: +1 TC

[02:46:08] Mark Grimes: See you Bonnie

[02:46:16] tahitian_coconut: see you bonnie

[02:46:16] Christina Jordan: thx for joining us Bonnie! we're wrapping up soon

[02:46:31] Pallavi Keshri: Thanks Bonnie

[02:46:40] Danielle Lanyard: Bye bonnie!!

[02:47:00] Christina Jordan: and THANK YOU for helping to add structure to this process!

[02:47:11] Christina Jordan: Yay Bonnie (clap)

[02:47:27] Pallavi Keshri: (y)

[02:47:35] Matt Nathan: thx Bonnie - great to v-meet you

[02:48:07] tahitian_coconut: (flex) --> bonnie

[02:48:09] Mark Grimes: One challenge, most entrepreneurs don’t know what they don’t know. So it’s hard for many entrepreneurs to then explore the things that are keeping them from getting to their next level

[02:48:25] Mark Grimes: Hacking Session will help them

[02:48:27] Christina Jordan: REPEATING:

Which leads to my final planned question for this topic: Are you building a better world through innovative entrepreneurship?

Which cosi10 activity highlights will excite potential participants the most?

- In-depth conversations about socila impact in the sectors they are reaching
- professional skills exange fora
- the crowdsourced planning/resource matching/financing opportunity
- the networking
- the ......

[02:48:31] Danielle Lanyard: great point mark.

[02:48:58] Mark Grimes: thnx DL

[02:50:16] tahitian_coconut: hacking sessions

[02:50:24] tahitian_coconut: crowdsources ressource planning

[02:50:35] tahitian_coconut: Wow moment when discovering innovations

[02:50:37] Pallavi Keshri: I think #1 & #3 Christina

[02:51:48] Mark Grimes: I agree, #1 and #3

[02:52:06] Danielle Lanyard: i think cosi participants will want something that is a cross between a pitch fest and a fail faire, where they can both incubate, know what they don't know, and still launch/expand/scale - openly, and with local help and a global network

[02:52:34] Christina Jordan: #1 actually excites me the most personally... I think when we can shift our focus to thinking about the impact we are planning - and momentarily away from resource scarcity issues - then suddenly things tend to become much clearer in this field

[02:52:40] Matt Nathan: Yes, Mark -- so we need to emphasize that it is hacking-with-a-purpose, to help them get their own venture to next level, and to move collectively to next level of solutions.

Also, I like "hacking" and it doesn't necessarily resonate with non-techies. "Building" "Experimenting" "Strengthening" are some alternative words...

[02:53:53] Christina Jordan: love the hacking analogy! would like more reasons why that's important - what it can lead to - ....

[02:54:35] Danielle Lanyard: hacking also connotes that you are going to find something you didn't necessarily expect! like the guy who tried to make superglue and hacked his way into inventing ice cream.

[02:54:54] Pallavi Keshri: We will have to be careful with the hacking... though we need it... We should "lead" people into solutions as opposed to "providing" solutions.... could very well be the mentoring that is required

[02:55:09] Mark Grimes: Hiow do I say this without sounding mean. Some business miodels should simply just not launch. Just because the entrepreneur likes their own idea, it still may be, well, not a great idea. All good entrepreneurs understand the demand for their product/service. Heck, myself and 6 people spent a weekend years ago asking if SnapNames was an interesting idea, or an actual business model. We could have decided to kill it

[02:55:50] tahitian_coconut: mmm perhaps not decide to kill it or not but to transform it

[02:55:57] tahitian_coconut: this could lad to a lot of experimentations

[02:56:05] tahitian_coconut: concerning the social impact

[02:56:23] tahitian_coconut: cosi could be a place where we share the lastest research in this field

[02:56:27] Christina Jordan: co-creation is what I'm after

[02:56:44] Pallavi Keshri: and innovations... most entrepreneurs also see the opportunity and should reach for it in terms of modifications to existing plans

[02:57:08] Mark Grimes: We decided it was disruptive and created a secondary market for domain names. Co-creation towards...better, quicker, measurable socail impact?

[02:57:13] Danielle Lanyard: co-creation, yes! and with mark's point that create solve problems, not to impose solutions.

[02:57:13] Christina Jordan: I think we may well be the latest research in this field, of this deep qualitative nature anyway

[02:57:17] tahitian_coconut: evaluating to social impact in different sectors : it's only the beginning of the research , so perhaps cosi10 could be a really cool place for searchers in this field meeting with practitioners

[02:58:15] Christina Jordan: yes, TC

[02:58:28] tahitian_coconut: co-creation / co-piloting / co-evaluating

[02:58:40] Christina Jordan: exactly - I so want what we're able to harvest from cosi10 to be valuable to researchers

[02:58:42] Pallavi Keshri: I am going to keep playing devil's advocate. I apologise for that.... but we have to understand that we are trying to make a LEVEL PLAYING field here..... the distance between the worlds is way too much...some pits have to be filled

[02:59:45] Christina Jordan: PLEASE SPEAK TO PALLAVI'S COMMENT:

How will cosi10 contribute to levelling the playing field?

[03:00:08] Mark Grimes: +10 for one thing (again) to Pallavi

[03:00:18] Matt Nathan: Message to entrepreneurs:
Explore options, get feedback, learn, strengthen your venture -- and connect it with others in practical ways for greater impact.

[03:00:28] Danielle Lanyard: 'enterprise' as vehicle to level the playing field. enterprise as vehicle to bridge divides through empowerment.

[03:00:45] tahitian_coconut: by structuring knowledge

[03:00:49] Pallavi Keshri: Define Enterprise.

[03:00:59] tahitian_coconut: and working with researchers ( answer to pallavi )

[03:01:09] Mark Grimes: Maker Faire Africa is meant to empower local African solutions to local problems with local innovation...we're (the MFA team) is just the organizing body

[03:01:12] Danielle Lanyard: 'innovation' as opposed to enterprise?

[03:01:45] Christina Jordan: needing to wrap up in Brussels soon but (inlove) deeply in love with this conversation

[03:02:13] Mark Grimes: innovation, inventions, amd makers...most of whom are selling something, so enterprise, yes

[03:02:50] Pallavi Keshri: When we say "enterprise" as a vehicle for levelling the field... brings me back to economics...They way I see it the two co-exist... but might be mutually exclusive!

[03:03:17] Christina Jordan: To wrap up on topic 2


How will cosi10 contribute to levelling the playing field?

[03:03:34] Matt Nathan: This is like Maker Faire Global -- aim of cosi10 is to organize fora and processes for makers to learn, connect, sell, collaborate to solve probs

[03:03:46] Mark Grimes: Pallavi, can you ellaborate please?

[03:04:51] Pallavi Keshri: This was in respect to Christina;s earlier comment on how we might lok at economics as the only means of social impact..but in my mind when we speak enterprise as Danielle just mentioned it connotes economics

[03:05:00] Mark Grimes: And what we found wit MFA is some ideas are very local, some regional, and some global...and most people could not really evaluate their own idea (as often happens in US as well)

[03:06:05] Pallavi Keshri: Hence my question... can what is the defining line... Isnt the basis of an enterprise economics? If yes then no questions but if no then how are the two separate from each other

[03:07:22] Christina Jordan: organization = enterprise = venture = idea = level playing field?

[03:07:35] Danielle Lanyard: Pallavi - I think this question is importan to ask for the big picture, but it differs by actual venture. I personally don't work on a venture that isn't aimed to 'level the playing field', and then i ask the questions Mark raises, to as many experts possible. This process, is like an open collaboration, and part of what I'd like to see all ventures do when they are seeding things.

[03:09:11] Pallavi Keshri: @ Mark: With MFA when you assess or evaluate an idea what is the benchmark? global or local?

[03:09:22] Mark Grimes: Nice one Danielle

[03:10:37] Pallavi Keshri: Thanks Danielle. So I would in that sense say anyone who has an idea with respect to levelling the playing field is welcome on board!

[03:11:25] Danielle Lanyard: it seems this great group KNOWS what questions to ask, on how to level the playing and what this looks like. but what of the people who don't know? how can cosi10 be a community to ask? and how does 'levelling the playing field' differ in meaning, globally?

[03:11:45] Christina Jordan: re: "enterprise" economics - i guess at the end of the day, the word we use to describe it is not as important as simply "finding ways to make good things happen." Revenue based, crowdsourced, alternatively jump-started through resource matching and hacking sessions with other smart people... finding innovative ways to make things happen that maybe are neither pure enterprise or charity models

[03:11:54] Mark Grimes: Good question Pallavi. That's exactly what we're doing this year. Last year was to see if innovators, makers and inventors even showed up. This year the team will work closely with all makers to evaluate their "invention" from an overall business model perspective. Helping with milestones, and deliverables for them to get to the next level (assuming, that is what they desire)

[03:12:25] tahitian_coconut: agree with Christina

[03:13:48] Mark Grimes: a very good entrepreneur Paul Graham put it like this...and I love it..."make stuff people want"

[03:14:17] Pallavi Keshri: aaah... thanks Christian.... so then we come down to forms of existence of an organization be it for-profit or non-profit or hybrid 3LCs(???) in the US?... Just wanted to check how we would like to define who participates...

[03:14:35] Pallavi Keshri: Sorry that was Thanks Christina

[03:14:58] tahitian_coconut: perhaps we can focus not on their legal status but on the vision of the entrepreneurs

[03:15:10] Danielle Lanyard: pallavi - people here in NYC want to focus on corporate structuring and 3LCs/finance. will definitely be a focus of the NYC event for sure.

[03:15:10] tahitian_coconut: do they want to tend to a sustainable kind of approach

[03:15:16] Mark Grimes: great point TC

[03:15:32] Pallavi Keshri: Absolutely TC... that point is what I needed... sorry to get to it in such along-winded way

[03:15:41] Christina Jordan: we talked earlier about making sure we remain open to the different interpretations of the terms

[03:15:48] Christina Jordan: whoever shows up is the right people

[03:16:03] Matt Nathan: Here's my mundane response -- not addressing the enterprise definition aspect:

cosi10 helps level playing field by being:
-- open in eligibility and process
-- affordable
-- in-person as well as online (and not dependent on broadband connection)
-- transparent
-- emergent & continuously improved
-- iterative (sufficient time and slow enough pace to be inclusive, help good people / idea / ventures not get lost)
-- facilitated (by a diverse team with knowledge/skill re issues of power/equity etc)

[03:16:25] Mark Grimes: Lately I've suggested to people, start your business under another existing entity, then inorporate LLLC, LLC, s-corp whatever...only after you have $10,000 in sales

[03:17:05] Pallavi Keshri: Thanks for your answer Mark. I asked the question because like you said first it is important that people should show up and then to see what they need

[03:17:16] Mark Grimes: zactly

[03:18:07] Mark Grimes: MFA the first year was not event a registered org, it was just 5 people doing something interesting

[03:18:17] Pallavi Keshri: Got round-up Christina. Thanks a ton people. This might seem like goin back a few steps for you....but I am trying to level the playing field :) Thanks for holding up

[03:18:34] Christina Jordan: Wow - what a bundle of energy this group is. Thank you thank you thank you for all of your input tonight!


I will be posting the transcript of this chat in the host backchannel space, and will be sending it to the press release writers

[03:18:48] Christina Jordan: I would also love to post it on the Evolutionize it blog if y'all are agreed.

[03:18:56] tahitian_coconut: agree :)

[03:19:02] Christina Jordan: What a wonderful discussion t's been!

[03:19:03] tahitian_coconut: Thanks a lot everyone

[03:19:06] Pallavi Keshri: Sure Christina...

[03:19:06] Mark Grimes: fine by me

[03:19:31] Danielle Lanyard: yes. thanks to you all. big kudos to christina, and thanks to our mothers for birthing great open minds! :D

[03:19:33] tahitian_coconut: it was cool to talk with you on skype :) it changes from corporate kind of conf call hehe :) thks christina for the animation !

[03:19:41] Christina Jordan: y'all rock, and it thrills me to think about rocking the world just a little bit with you all!

[03:19:41] Pallavi Keshri: Mark, would like to discuss MFA a little bit with you sometime... It might be a format we look at for cosi10 local paticipation

[03:20:00] Christina Jordan: (ninja)

[03:20:09] Matt Nathan: OK, great to think together about what we're trying to help happen with cosi10 -- thanks everyone!

[03:20:09] Mark Grimes: happy to chat

[03:20:23] tahitian_coconut: bye :)

[03:20:26] Pallavi Keshri: Thanks a ton.. whenever conevenient for you....

[03:20:33] Christina Jordan: I'll send out a roundup note first thing in the morning

[03:20:59] Christina Jordan: The next virtual planning session is Thursday - esp important for the September event hosts if you can make it

[03:21:02] Danielle Lanyard: and we all owe pallavi 1 good night's sleep - trooper winner of the group!

[03:21:14] Pallavi Keshri: LOL... I dont think I am sleeping now

[03:21:16] Pallavi Keshri: Its 3.30

[03:21:25] Pallavi Keshri: And am way too charged up to ge any sleep

[03:21:38] Christina Jordan: yes Bravo Pallavi - you deserve a good night's (morning's) sleep!

[03:21:49] Mark Grimes: Sleep deprived = good creative time

[03:22:01] Christina Jordan: Thursday AUGUST 12 - 6am PST | 9am EST | 1pm GMT | 11pm NSW
Introduction to the ned.com platform features & host backchannel space

[03:22:03] Pallavi Keshri: hahaha... I think so... definitely more productive time

[03:22:12] Matt Nathan: We need to level the sleeping field!

[03:22:28] Pallavi Keshri: mmmmmm!!! Go Go Mark!

[03:22:39] Danielle Lanyard: thanks again all. off to level the sleeping playing field bye

[03:22:43] Christina Jordan: http://www.google.com/calendar/render?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=OHJtMDdmMXAyY2FqMWh0dXJyYXVzNG4wZWMgY2hyaXN0aW5hc3d3d29ybGRAbQ&tmsrc=Y2hyaXN0aW5hc3d3d29ybGRAZ21haWwuY29t&sf=true&output=xml

[03:22:57] Mark Grimes: see everyone

[03:23:04] Christina Jordan: Thank you soooo much to everyone - look for a roundup message from me tomorrow with the links to this transcript

[03:23:13] Matt Nathan: bye

[03:23:17] Christina Jordan: (clap)

[03:23:21] Christina Jordan: (yawn)

[03:23:23] Mark Grimes: thnx all

[03:23:29] Christina Jordan: (F)

[03:23:52] Pallavi Keshri: Good morning everbody! Have a nice day.. .

[03:24:01] Pallavi Keshri: (sun) Cheers!

[03:24:20] Christina Jordan: So very lovely to speak with you all! Bravo to all on a job well done. I feel great about what we accomplished tonight. Kudos!

[03:24:20] tahitian_coconut: cheers !

[03:24:53] Christina Jordan: (o) gnite

[03:25:08] Mark Grimes: be well

[03:25:20] Pallavi Keshri: Mark trying to add you on skype unable to

[03:25:39] Mark Grimes: I will try to add you again

[06:34:15] Jean M Russell: gratitude all. Caught up on this thread and so amazed at the conversation. Can't wait to see Christina's brilliant synthesis. (clap)

[07:13:53] Luke Grange: Thank you for including our Ubuntu Australia group on this and look forward to planning more with you all (handshake)

Friday, July 2, 2010

Radical Real Time : Evolutionizing Transparency

In early June I participated as a virtual facilitator of a breakout session at Radical Real Time - a virtual unconference on redefining collaboration. I chose to host a conversation about transparency in collaboration for social change using skype text group chat.

Below is a transcript of the very rich discussion, reposted here from http://radicalrealtime.pbworks.com/Transparency-in-collaboration-for-social-change (which also includes transparency-related reading materials I posted before the session).

[15:24:35] Christina Jordan: Sitting outside in my garden, on possibly the warmest, sunniest day in Brussels so far this year. Getting ready for our chat on transparency in collaboration for social change in an hour. Welcome!

[15:25:02] Sari Stenfors: beautiful!

[15:25:30] Christina Jordan: Where are others chiming in from?

[15:27:30] Raj: Good morning to Sari and good afternoon Christina

[15:28:42] Raj: I am Raj from Kathmandu, Nepal

[15:31:00] Ron Davidson: Hello everyone - it is good be here. I'm Ron in the UK.

[15:31:07] Christina Jordan: Hi Raj! How's your internet connection in Nepal?

[15:31:28] Christina Jordan: Welcome Ron - how's UK weather today?

[15:31:46] Raj: It is fairely good today, Christina

[15:32:08] Ron Davidson: Hah - warm with some clouds..very pleasant..

[15:33:19] Ron Davidson: @Christina - just got your email - Skype is faster...

[15:33:24] Christina Jordan: Just to let you all know, I decided to make this session text chat only - not voice - so that you can dip in and out of other sessions at the same time, if you'd like to. There's a lot of great sessions going on during our time slot!

(idle chit chat deleted)

[15:48:59] Christina Jordan: While waiting for the opening plenary...

To get some thoughts flowing around some of the issues that "transparency" evokes, there are a couple of links/articles up in the documentation session herehttp://radicalrealtime.pbworks.com/Transparency-in-collaboration-for-social-change

[15:49:23] Christina Jordan: oops - section, not session

[15:49:34] Christina Jordan: (chuckle)

[15:57:54] Christina Jordan: The opening plenary will start in about 3 minuteshttps://sites.google.com/a/radical-inclusion.com/rrt-auditorium/home

[16:19:07] Wendy E Brawer joined the chat

[16:19:13] Mats Lönngren joined the chat

[16:20:16] David Marsilia joined the chat

[16:24:05] Wendy E Brawer: Wendy E Brawer set topic to " please click the chat button! "

[16:25:42] Tony Mann: lot of typing?

[16:27:03] Wendy E Brawer: click the chat button

[16:27:03] Tony Mann: please click thr chat button to get in the chat

[16:27:35] Christina Jordan: hmmm are you talking to me?

[16:28:02] Tony Mann: no somehow I'm in a chat conference as well???

[16:29:01] Joitske Hulsebosch joined the chat

[16:29:29] Christina Jordan: Christina Jordan set topic to " Transparency in collaboration for Social Change "

[16:29:39] Joitske Hulsebosch: Hi Christina

[16:29:54] Christina Jordan: Hi Folks - this is the Transparency in Collabroation for social change TEXT chat

[16:29:58] Wendy E Brawer: 97 old state, 01011 usa

[16:30:12] Wendy E Brawer: tell us how to find it

[16:30:16] Christina Jordan: had decided to do this one text only to allow you to join other sessions as well

[16:30:29] Christina Jordan: Wendy, are you in the right place?

[16:30:43] Wendy E Brawer: is this the right place

[16:30:53] Wendy E Brawer: ?

[16:30:59] Joitske Hulsebosch: I thought someone was trying to call me :)

[16:31:02] Christina Jordan: Wendy where do you intend to be?

[16:31:26] Wendy E Brawer: this is fine

[16:31:41] Christina Jordan: ok everyone sorry for the tech difficulties

[16:32:06] Christina Jordan: Can we get some introductions going maybe?

[16:32:22] Joitske Hulsebosch: Sure

[16:32:23] Christina Jordan: My name is Christina Jordan - I am a “serial social entrepreneur” and a global gypsy. I currently live in Brussels, having recently moved back here after 10 years in Uganda, East Africa.

[16:32:53] Joitske Hulsebosch: I'm Joitske Hulsebosch also lived 10 years in Africa :)

[16:33:04] Joitske Hulsebosch: Kenya, Mali, Ethiopia and Ghana

[16:33:28] Joitske Hulsebosch: Now in the Netherlands working on facilitating learning and km

[16:33:50] kathie wallace: Kathie Wallace Vancouver Canada Hello! I am a community engagement facilitator passionate about bringing everyone to the table as equals ona level playing field.

[16:33:52] Joitske Hulsebosch: Moved back in 2003 already

[16:33:54] Raj: I am Raj, lecturer at Tribhuvan University, Kathmandu, Nepal. TEaching management courses

[16:34:03] Wendy E Brawer: Wendy Brawer, founding director of Green Map System, which has a network of locally led Green Map projects in 55 countries - i live in NYC amd have a coop organic farm where i am now. Have lived in Asia and US

[16:34:05] Tony Mann: Tony, Living in England, working across Europe and the Middle east

[16:34:27] John Stephen Veitch joined the chat

[16:34:31] Ron Davidson: Hi I'm Ron Davidson. I live in England. Full time work is engineering governance, also developing a consultancy supporting SMEs. I'm interested in OD, transformation and change.

[16:34:41] John Stephen Veitch: John Stephen Veitch is using an older version of Skype that does not support multi-person chats and therefore can't join

[16:34:41] David Marsilia: David, USA Texas in transition currently looking for opportunities

[16:34:50] Christina Jordan: Welcome John - we're introducing ourselves!

[16:35:29] Christina Jordan: ok so I wanted to chat about Transparency... here's a bit of background on why that topic:

While in Uganda I engaged in an experiment in organizational transparency - connecting local communities of beneficiaries I was working with directly to groups of global supporters online. Sometimes that worked really well - sometimes it was really challenging to manage the organization’s operations and image.

[16:35:44] Wendy E Brawer: I hope some of you can visit http://GreenMap.org later and see if our approach to connecting community and sustainability will work for your home place....

[16:35:57] Mats Lönngren: I am Mats and i live in Switzerland and Finland. Lived in in Germany and France. Recently graduated industrial designer

[16:36:06] John Stephen Veitch: John Veitch, New Zealand. 2.30am here.

[16:36:49] Mats Lönngren: nice to meet people behind greenmaps..been there before

[16:37:29] kathie wallace: what does "really challenging to manage the orgs operations and images" mean? with reference to transparency?

[16:37:46] Christina Jordan: Looking forward to learning more about greenmaps!

So personally, I believe in the value of transparency, but have learned that we shouldn’t treat it dogmatically. There are parts of transparency that are good, useful, necessary. But sometimes we need to know where the lines need to be drawn

[16:37:48] Wendy E Brawer: thanks Mats! we are growing fast - now over 600 projects, and it's harder to collaborate so I want to learn more from this session and group

[16:38:23] Christina Jordan: @kathie with beneficiaries talking to supporters directly there was a whole lot of messaging that became uncontrolled

[16:38:47] Christina Jordan: which can sometimes be really great, and sometimes be tricky when people start talking about each other

[16:39:06] Heidi Massey joined the chat

[16:39:19] Christina Jordan: Hi Heidi!

[16:39:27] Heidi Massey: Hi Christina!

[16:39:48] Heidi Massey: How do I see what everyone is chatting about or the history...have you started?

[16:40:11] Christina Jordan: So that's just some background to say that transparency is really interesting, but can be challenging. I'll give you a few scenarios later

[16:40:32] Christina Jordan: but first, I wanted to toss the question out there: When you hear the term transparency, what does it really mean to you?

[16:40:50] Christina Jordan: TRANSPARENCY = what?

[16:41:02] kathie wallace: does transparency have to do with who has the control of the scenario? is it being mediated?

[16:41:18] Joitske Hulsebosch: No hidden agendas

[16:41:19] Hempal Shrestha joined the chat

[16:41:42] kathie wallace: transparency for me means no hidden agendas, no middle man mediating and controlling the experience

[16:41:48] Heidi Massey: Transparency is making things clear for people to see what is happening...input into the process

[16:42:09] Joitske Hulsebosch: Being clear about your assumptions and ways of working

[16:42:20] David Ewaku joined the chat

[16:42:34] John Stephen Veitch: Transparency is openness, a willingness to let other people see what you are dibng, no hidden agenda, sicerity of offers, willingness to trust.

[16:42:39] David Marsilia: Availability to information

[16:42:49] Heidi Massey: Clear about goals too...why doing certain things

[16:43:12] kathie wallace: if the people who hold the power are the only ones in the discussion what does that mean?

[16:43:53] Ron Davidson: The norms, control, rules working processes are visible and accible by all involved, but also to other interested parties

[16:44:23] Christina Jordan: Hi David! we're asking what does Transparency mean to you?

[16:44:30] David Marsilia: Unobstructed with equal capabilities shared amongst all parties including stakeholders in the public domain

[16:45:29] Wendy E Brawer: also sharing the perspective and views of others without judgment

[16:45:35] Heidi Massey: I love what David said about unobstructed with equal...SO important in low income communities. We block transparency sometimes by making things inaccessible!

[16:45:41] Mats Lönngren: Transparency is honestly..honestly in what you do and how you treat people

[16:45:55] Ron Davidson: For those holding the power - it is been able to see or understand where their power comes from

[16:45:55] Mats Lönngren: sorry honesty

[16:46:08] Joitske Hulsebosch: Not in every situation there is equal capabilities? I wonder about that

[16:46:30] Christina Jordan: Here's a different take on the question... Is transparency good for the world? WHY?

[16:47:17] Heidi Massey: Joitske, sometimes even lack of internet access blocks access to the process and thus transparency

[16:47:30] Raj: Transparency is good. But, to what level/extent

[16:47:53] David Marsilia: Context for contribution comes from richness and depth of information shared. You can only add value if you already know whats been done and what the goals are.

[16:48:00] Heidi Massey: I think that it depends on the situation...but we tend to err on the side of too little transparency in our organizations and too much in our personal lives!

[16:48:21] Christina Jordan: That's a great point Heidi!

[16:48:35] John Stephen Veitch: Transparency allows other people to more correctly understand what their real options are. So they can participate as equals. Transparency allows them to ne peers. Surely that's good.

[16:48:37] Heidi Massey: David, another awesome comment! So true...easy to keep people out by withholding info

[16:49:10] Raj: Everything can be transparent everywhere? In certain cases people do not want to disclose the reality

[16:49:35] Christina Jordan: Is there a mandate for organizations in the social change space to be more transparent than traditional corporations?

[16:49:36] Ron Davidson: @Heidi good point considering all the information that is available on each of us, but the intimate details of some companies operations is very hidden

[16:49:52] David Marsilia: The organization weakens itself if it cannot or willnot share

[16:50:12] Heidi Massey: I know there is a LOT of fear of transparency...what might happen if people know the truth...but I think the truth sometimes, the vulnerability draws people in, instead of repelling them

[16:50:36] Joitske Hulsebosch: @Christina I think it should be yes for nonprofits

[16:50:56] Ron Davidson: @Christina

[16:51:01] Joitske Hulsebosch: but I think it is almost less

[16:51:03] kathie wallace: if you have nothing to hide, no problem being transparent...re having no defenses...only people/orgs holding power and controlling others struggle with transparency and have to have defenses

[16:51:16] Raj: Another point to consider is 'to what extent to be transparent to whom?'

[16:51:29] Joitske Hulsebosch: Good point!

[16:51:42] Heidi Massey: I just read about how we are drawn to vulnerability and repelled by those people/organizations that seem powerful...Oops, gotta pick up daughter...bbl. Sorry!

[16:51:44] Christina Jordan: Yes, Raj - that's my next question - how far does transparency have to go?

[16:51:47] Joitske Hulsebosch: Can't explain everything all the time

[16:52:03] Joitske Hulsebosch: Bye Heidi!

[16:52:10] David Marsilia: Nobody, no organization is perfect. To claim otherwise sets up barriers to potential contributors.

[16:52:22] Ron Davidson: @Christina - sorry do you know of any study/research findings on how much social organisation have as opposed to private ones?

[16:52:25] Christina Jordan: By Hiedi!

[16:53:03] Christina Jordan: How much transparency? no I don't know of any research on that, only know thet it's a huge buzzword that seems very ill defined

[16:53:20] Christina Jordan: Does it mean open decision-making?

[16:53:29] Christina Jordan: does it mean sharing financal information?

[16:53:41] Raj: In my opinion, to that extent that does not kill the secrecy of doing it, and again does not affect in sustaining the business/operations

[16:54:13] Christina Jordan: does it mean acknowledgement of stakeholder opinions?

[16:54:19] Christina Jordan: Does it mean pleasing everyone?

[16:54:21] Joitske Hulsebosch: There has been a study in the Netherlands from foreign affairs about transparency in development cooperation

[16:54:46] Joitske Hulsebosch: Was very much about sharing the results of your work and the process

[16:54:52] Raj: no, no. In most of the cases stakeholders do not know all about, specially in social change process

[16:55:06] kathie wallace: is transparency not required for true collaboration?

[16:55:19] Ron Davidson: @Christina yes and there is transparency as far a accounting goes, but as for intentions of the organisation's.. transparency can bre a very different matter

[16:55:31] Raj: Pleasing stakeholders, sometimes against the mission of the organization

[16:56:19] Joitske Hulsebosch: There is a role for intermediaries too, to interpret information

[16:56:21] Christina Jordan: Right, so that's where issues of "controlling" the messaging come up

[16:56:25] Joitske Hulsebosch: like journalists

[16:56:36] Christina Jordan: Contolling is a word I don't like much

[16:56:56] Christina Jordan: Kathie, in collaboration I think transparency is really key

[16:57:06] Christina Jordan: But not all partners will

[16:57:09] Raj: I mean, we all know that change is different than usual. Very few people understand and acknowledge the benefits/change need in advance

[16:57:33] Mats Lönngren: Me too Kathie. In order to collaborate you need to evalutate the extent of trust that is built between people / organisations.

[16:57:44] Joitske Hulsebosch: Are you talking about transparency as organisations or individuals? I'm a little lost

[16:57:54] Christina Jordan: Here's a scenario:

[16:57:56] Christina Jordan: You are leading an initiative that involves several players from around the world, working together in a collaborative space online. One of the key players refuses to discuss things openly, but insists on only private conversation with you. How do you handle that?

[16:57:57] kathie wallace: I find current buzz words like collaboration and self-organizing are used by orgs/groups while they hold the power and run the show themselves which adds to the confusion as we shift to a more level playing field at this time

[16:58:59] Joitske Hulsebosch: I think there is nothing wrong with one on one (private) conversations

[16:59:21] Joitske Hulsebosch: Thanks not necessarily counter-transparent - what do others think?

[16:59:49] John Stephen Veitch: I'd ask the the individual who acts in that way to put his point in the public space.

[17:00:13] kathie wallace: that key player is pulling the energy from the group experience to her/himself=control so solution it to name it

[17:00:15] Mats Lönngren: But there is a problem in case the "rules" of the collaboration involves discussion and knowledge sharing..

[17:00:35] Raj: It is very normal and usual. It happens even in face to face conversation and in physical settings. We cannot ignore the role of informal relationship. One way could be bringing the outcome of the private conversation in front after a while

[17:00:44] David Marsilia: In Christina's scenario: it can be important to allow for moments of side conversations as long as the purpose is to draw the outsider in towards transparency. This allows for expression of doubt that any one party may feel about the process or organization. The goal is full disclosure not necessarily the starting place

[17:02:08] Christina Jordan: So "safe space" could be really important in moving toward transparency?

[17:02:18] Joitske Hulsebosch: there may be good reasons for one of one conversations

[17:02:39] Christina Jordan: What should stay private, what should be shared among collaborators? What should be public? Where are the lines?

[17:03:15] Joitske Hulsebosch: I guess you have to see when it becomes detrimental to the trust

[17:03:32] Joitske Hulsebosch: undermining the process

[17:03:40] Raj: There is varieties. Common interest could be the bottom line

[17:03:43] Christina Jordan: good point - does trus build transparency or does transparency build trust?

[17:04:37] John Stephen Veitch: There may be excellent reasons for one on one conversations. To clarify a point, to make it clear why full details cannot be made public. Toprotect the privacy of someone else. None of thses cases requires public disclosure.

[17:05:02] Joitske Hulsebosch: (or a simple helpdesk :)

[17:05:10] Joitske Hulsebosch: not to bother the whole group

[17:05:21] Christina Jordan: Great perspectives folks. I appreciate your involvement in this discussion.

[17:05:22] Hempal Shrestha: trust makes the environment for transparency

[17:06:13] David Marsilia: This is why it is so important for the organization to have the highest level of tranparency from the outset. No limitations beyond propritetary (sp) or copyright information.

[17:06:53] kathie wallace: what prompted the question? the most difficult and critical thing for us to do on the planet at this time is open and be vulnerable to each other and lower our defenses=transparency

[17:06:57] Ron Davidson: @Hempal is tha ttrusting someone to be open about their thoughts, ides, poiont of view...?

[17:06:58] Mats Lönngren: Christina: good question..in a relationship for example, trust is something that builds upon experience and time and some kind of access to your real self: transparency?

[17:07:24] David Marsilia: @ John Yes you've got that about right

[17:08:01] Christina Jordan: ok, so talking about trust... here is another scenario to consider:

[17:08:03] Christina Jordan: Your NGO/project is in partnership with another well-known organization for a project you are implementing together. You find out over time that the partner organization is dramatically mismanaged - there is corruption. What is your obligation to transparency in this case? To whom? What do you do?

[17:08:31] Hempal Shrestha: @ Ron, may be not exactly the case, but it developes an situation which creates a comfortability for transparency,

[17:09:19] Ron Davidson: @OK where the other person feels they can be open..

[17:10:22] Joitske Hulsebosch: Well transparency means not saying everything all the time

[17:10:22] David Marsilia: In any case were a partnership organization is breaking the law and you become aware of it any and all information should immediately be passed on to the appropriate authorities.

[17:11:08] Joitske Hulsebosch: So be open about what you observe and feed it back

[17:11:19] kathie wallace: i answer only to myself and my personal integrity...in the past i have named the corruption...and been fired ;- )...I spoke to the person in control who had the responsibility to admit and change and didn't...other times I have spoken to other entities in charge o/s of the org...what i have found is people who want to hold power don't want to hear about the corruption because they themeslves are complicit

[17:11:50] Christina Jordan: Unfortunately that's been my experience too, Kathie

[17:11:51] John Stephen Veitch: Been there @Christina. First of all you have to try to verify your information. Good record keeping is critical. Your FACTS will be challenged. What appears to be will keep changing. When you approach the organisation direcly and put your cards on the table, they will try to make you look like a traitor.

[17:12:17] Christina Jordan: and they will fight back

[17:12:24] Raj: Kathie, I had got life threat in the similar case

[17:12:45] Wendy E Brawer: we had a situation... we sent a letter to them and the funder with suggestions to the partner on how to remediate, and that if they would make the changes please contact us again. But until then our relation was over. yes we kept all the records.

[17:12:51] Ron Davidson: @Christina in the scenario, some care may be needed in disclosing something you discover about the other organisation made in confidence. Maybe in the extreme you have to walk away from the project to maintain your integrity.

[17:12:52] Christina Jordan: Which goes back to what @Kathie said, yes I think it is so important to lower the defenses and be more vulnerable to each other. But the flipside is we may get hurt

[17:12:58] kathie wallace: there is a limit to what we can do within the power structures themselves...now i work outside those structures to address these problems

[17:13:21] Christina Jordan: Can you elaborate on what you mean by that @Kathie?

[17:14:05] Christina Jordan: Sounds like many have had similar experiences. what is the obligation to other stakeholders in this case?

[17:14:29] Joitske Hulsebosch: a project lowered corruption by increasing transparency about forms and costs

[17:14:29] Christina Jordan: Do you let other partners/beneficiaries/donors know?

[17:14:34] Christina Jordan: or only authorities?

[17:15:13] kathie wallace: it is a huge topic...my session is the start of an elaboration...first we have to understand power dynamics...letting others know=many still choose to buy in bec' they don't think they have a choice e.g. will lose their jobs

[17:15:22] Joitske Hulsebosch: I think you should talk to the people involved first ...

[17:16:43] John Stephen Veitch: @Kathie. Power structures. For instance a board meeting, which can exclude staff. Or a board meeting that's open for staff to attend, them chooses to go into committee. Or the Chairman comes to a meeting with the decision already made and the votes in his pocket. Before you've put your case.

[17:16:47] Raj: In most of the case, it relates to the presence of government/good governance. We have to explain the case differently in different situation

[17:16:55] David Marsilia: The power of integrity with transparency creates greater collaboration with higher value parties. What may seem good in the shortterm because of time and resources already commited can all go to ruin when corruption is discovered down the road. Even if the corruption never becomes public the mission is cheapened.

[17:17:39] Joitske Hulsebosch: I know a case where an NGO used money 'creatively' on different budgets and the peace corps volunteer reported them as corrupt to the donors, this damaged their image, whereas it was a case of more flexible use and accounting than we are used to

[17:17:52] kathie wallace: is not corruption perhaps always about people holding power, taking from others, and abusing others in that?

[17:17:57] Joitske Hulsebosch: ( in my opinion :)

[17:18:23] Joitske Hulsebosch: What is abusing to some, may be normal practice to others ..

[17:18:30] Heidi Massey: So Joitske, if they had been more transparent about their budgeting, maybe they wouldn't have suffered after...

[17:18:55] Joitske Hulsebosch: Sure, that's the importance of transparence, fully agree

[17:19:10] Christina Jordan: Indeed @David. For me it's about mission. @Kathie, yes, I think corruption is usally about power.

In the time we have left, I want to move on to some slightly different angles:

1. What keeps more organizations from operating transparently?


2. What are the tools that organizations in the social changer space can use to increase transparency in concrete - visible - ways?

[17:19:30] David Marsilia: Transparency prevents shocks of misunderstanding to crop up later in relationships.

[17:20:03] Joitske Hulsebosch: I think organisations want to look good and start with small lies and it grows

[17:20:11] David Marsilia: That's the way its always been done mentalities

[17:21:19] Joitske Hulsebosch: depends also on the culture in the sector?

[17:21:30] Joitske Hulsebosch: like banking sector

[17:21:38] David Marsilia: tools: social media participation, wikis attached to web space

[17:21:56] Christina Jordan: 1) I think organizations in the social change space deal with issues where there are really tough challenges, and few easy answers. They make mistakes, and may fear that disclosing mistakes will result in loss of the support they rely on... but I also think there's ways to flip that and make it positive

[17:22:08] Joitske Hulsebosch: tools: sharing more work through social media

[17:22:10] kathie wallace: Those of us who want a new world have to model it, without attachment to preaching a "better way" yet showing that the new way is so cool and fun and powerful anyone would want to be part of it!

[17:22:14] Raj: To the first question, in my opinion- we have to develop 'culturre' by meeting basic requirements; and in case of second question- I have a concept of 'What is with it"

[17:22:44] Christina Jordan: what is with it? what do you mean Raj?

[17:23:06] Christina Jordan: Kathie, do you know Hildy Gottlieb?

[17:23:25] Joitske Hulsebosch: I know Hildy from cpsquare!

[17:23:44] kathie wallace: no, I don't know hildy yes, social media has the power to change everything if

[17:23:51] Raj: We have to start from what is known/available/familier......

[17:24:19] Joitske Hulsebosch: Raj, can you give an example?

[17:24:28] Christina Jordan: I love her take on transparency! She talks about "gardening in the front yard"http://hildygottlieb.com/2009/11/30/transparency-community-engagement-part-1/

[17:24:58] kathie wallace: social media done with awareness of what the power dynamics are and how they have to be changed=delete the middle man between people communicating with people to change eveything

[17:25:27] Joitske Hulsebosch: tools: countervailing power

[17:25:36] Christina Jordan: So kathie, does that mean deleting organizations from the equation?

[17:25:57] kathie wallace: oh...so...yes... to life!

[17:26:10] Joitske Hulsebosch: Kathie who is your middlemen?

[17:26:18] Raj: We have to answer a question- how do we make a person understood about curruption, if he/she has ever heard it in his/her life?

[17:26:36] David Marsilia: The organization morphs into a conduit instead of existing as a barrier

[17:26:40] Raj: I mean not heard

[17:27:01] kathie wallace: i don't have one...I am a sovereign being bec' i live on welfare :- ) suffering for FREEDOM

[17:27:36] Joitske Hulsebosch: :)

[17:27:39] Christina Jordan: yes, David - that's exactly what I tried to do in Uganda - let the organization serve as a conduit instead of a barrier

[17:27:53] Joitske Hulsebosch: I meant I didn't understand your phrase Kathie

[17:28:15] kathie wallace: invisible structure and background facilitator=equality and tranwsparency

[17:28:27] John Stephen Veitch: LOL @Kathie - Ben there too. Connect to more people -You are doing that. Find me on LinkedIn, or Ryze

[17:28:38] Christina Jordan: so the challenge came when WE as a group would get support for a project WE as a group had defined together, but then ONE person would disagree and be very publicly loud about it

[17:28:42] John Stephen Veitch: Been there too.

[17:28:53] kathie wallace: [8:28:15 AM] kathie wallace: invisible structure

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[17:29:11] David Marsilia: excellent question Raj, this is how transparency works as an energizing and educating phenomena. What isn't known becomes known. What was misunderstood becomes apparent.

[17:29:55] Christina Jordan: being transparent is great when it works, but without 100% consensus the risk is that there will be individual disruptors who channel their anger into the public arena

[17:30:23] Raj: Therefore, Christina, 'what is with it'

[17:30:24] Christina Jordan: @David your comments are so insightful

[17:30:33] kathie wallace: people need to be taught a new way of communicating in groups/orgs that ends the dominator energy

[17:31:02] kathie wallace: deep thanks everyone

[17:31:11] Joitske Hulsebosch: is that social media?

[17:31:20] Christina Jordan: I can't believe it's been an hour already!

[17:32:12] Christina Jordan: A huge thank you to everyone for joining in here! Feel free to keep sending thoughts into this space

[17:32:14] John Stephen Veitch: This process has worked very well Christina, well done, and congratulations.

[17:32:27] Joitske Hulsebosch: Yes, good luck

[17:32:37] David Marsilia: Very energizing

[17:32:44] Christina Jordan: Thanks John - I've done twitter chats before but this was the first one on skype - a very different experience!

[17:32:44] Joitske Hulsebosch: Intriguing

[17:32:51] Raj: Congratulations to all of us!

[17:33:05] Ron Davidson: @Christina thank you Very interesting and rewarding

[17:33:17] Christina Jordan: Indeed @Raj - congrats to all... hope to see you in some of the sessions later

[17:33:20] Wendy E Brawer: thanks to all!

[17:33:20] Joitske Hulsebosch: Are you going to summarize ?

[17:33:38] David Marsilia: Yes, thanks to everyone

[17:33:44] Christina Jordan: There will ba a transcript of the chat in the documentation section later

[17:33:47] Raj: See you again

[17:34:25] Christina Jordan: @joitske I will attempt to summarize a bit in an intro, but in the interest of transparency will include all the comments :-)

[17:34:45] Hempal Shrestha: i was the bumble bee, will follow in the chat archive, thanks

[17:35:00] John Stephen Veitch: Hope you will also correct the spelling.

[17:35:10] Christina Jordan: not a chance @john!

[17:35:14] David Marsilia: Indeed as Thomas L Freidman says, The World is Flat

[17:36:29] Joitske Hulsebosch: We have a break now?

[17:36:45] Christina Jordan: Yep - reconvening for session 2 in 24 min.

[17:37:33] Christina Jordan: Thanks for being here everyone! Off for a coffee break now

[17:37:48] Raj: Thank you David